E10 petrol

[Mick B]

Perfect day for riding here as well. But ... had the Mother in Law over for dinner then a few hours at the local sports hall for one of the grandkid's birthday party.
Getting colder this week but hopefully staying dry so I'll get the heated jackets out ready! 

[Asmith61]

 Mick B
Very important that you did both of those things   

Let’s hope it stays dry for you and you manage to get out on the bike and maybe even breakfast 

[Mick B]

Confused.com 
Had a run out this afternoon and covered about 60 miles. As soon as I set off the display was showing 62mpg!! And that was the best I saw all day!!
How could it drop from 70mpg the other day (65mpg when I opened it up a touch for a mile or so) to around 60 mpg today.
Granted I was 2 up but being 2 up previously has never made that sort of difference, maybe a mile or two mpg but that's it.
Both rides (other than the little blast) were done at normal speeds & throttle actions to my usual riding style.
Is it possible that the ECU was initially confused with the new Super the other day and once switched off, then back on today 'reset' it?
I did however still think it was running better, not as in faster or better acceleration but just smoother. As per my previous post, I didn't say anything to Deb about my thoughts until we were a few miles from home. I had tried to replicate what I thought she was asking about, speed/gears/rpm by swapping about a bit. She remembered asking me the question about 'what gear I was in' and suggested today that she never noticed anything untoward.
Although in my mind I do think there is a difference in running I also think it's in my head, trying to convince myself the cost of the 'super' was worth it. 

[NorthumBryan]

I'm sure Sigmund would have a theory about this...

[Mick B]

Filled it up again today & just after setting off I saw 90mpg on the display, dropping to 80 then 70 which it was still on when I arrived home a couple of miles later.
I reset the trip each time I fill up & although I have never noticed before (it's usually on the miles travelled rather than the mpg) and it must be some form of electrical trickery resetting the mpg as well, just wonder why it takes so long to settle to the correct reading?

Anyway, I have read that the Esso Synergy Supreme has no Ethanol in it so should be fine to stand for a while if necessary. Although it isn't Ethanol free in all parts of the country.....
Quote..... "Esso Synergy Supreme+ 99 contains zero ethanol, except (for logistics reasons) sites supplied from Scotland, North Wales, North England and Cornwall".
My minimal testing also leads me to believe that it's good for an extra 2-3 mpg!!

[Asmith61]

 Hi mick glad you are still getting out for a ride   

The only bike that has a display on is the KTM and I haven’t really played with any of the settings yet so I cannot really comment on the MPG etc.

Perhaps you are right it must be electrical trickery 

It’s great to hear that Esso synergy supreme contains no Ethanol so that is what I will be filling my cans up with so thank you for that 

I like the idea of better MPG with the premium fuel

I filled my car up tonight on the way home £150.9 for diesel ( what the f**k is going on )

He also gave me a leaflet on a new type of fuel called Aspen I have added a picture of the leaflet

[Mick B]

I paid 159.9L for that Esso today, up a penny from the other day!!! 
The Esso E10 at the same garage was 145.9, so 14p difference, for a full tank (20l) that's less than £3.00 per tank! I usually fill up between half & quarter full so I might not notice it as much...
Still, got to look after the pension pot, for the beer, breakfasts & cakes!! 

[NorthumBryan]

Hmmm, I had to top the car up on Ethanol free electricity @ 35p per kW tonight. That's 40kW for £14 or about 160 miles for the price of two gallons of diesel...

[Asmith61]

Mick B  I agree if you fill up from half & quarter you might not notice it so much but as you say you need to look after the pension pot for your breakfasts etc 

NorthumBryan  just wondering how does the MG compare to the leaf that you had?

When you compare the numbers like that maybe going electric seems worth looking in to ?

[Mick B]

Being a little cynical about the 'big change' to electric vehicles I have to wonder, will it be that cheap when all or even most vehicles are electric?
Where will the government get the tax/fuel duty from?

Not sure how accurate this is but I bet it's not far from correct................
The two main categories of road fuel – ultra-low sulphur petrol and ultra-low sulphur diesel – are charged duty at 57.95p per litre.

When VAT is included, tax represents just over 60% of the final pump price for petrol and diesel.

With the average petrol motorist said to spend an average of £1,042 on petrol each year, fuel duties amount to a tax charge of around £600 per year, per motorist.

In 2019/20 fuel duty tax receipts in the United Kingdom amounted to approximately £27.57 billion British pound.   This was significantly more than the £21 billion raised by alcohol and tobacco duties combined.

[NorthumBryan]

It's a good point about taxation because at the moment there is no road fund tax on EV's and obviously no fuel tax. This is an issue worldwide as if you stick the duty on electricity it impacts everyone, including those that don't have an EV ? I suspect that to 'encourage' us all into EV's fuel duty will continue to rise along with road tax and eventually EV's will pay an annual tax, probably a lot higher than current road tax to replace the fuel duty, who knows ? There is a scheme in Australia where they plan to charge $5,000 Aussie dollars upfront at the point of purchase to cover the electric vehicles lifetime of road use ? Might be an answer but it's hardly going to encourage people into EV's and out of diesel & petrol cars is it ?

I don't normally pay as much as 35p per kW as I usually charge at home for 5p per kW on the cheap rate overnight (12:30 till 04:30) or 'directly' from the PV if it's sunny for free. As the garage is still 'in progress' I'm (and the Mrs) having to use public chargers ranging from 27p to 50p, although I normally have a McBreakfast while I charge if I use the 50p one.

The MG is definitely a step up from the Zoe, the extra space alone makes a huge difference and the size & weight means it rides a lot more smoothly and comfortably over what Northumberland County Council insist are roads... The little features that make the difference are things like auto-hold (press the brake at a stop and it puts the car into 'park' and applies the handbrake, touch the accelerator & just go), the DAB radio (Planet Rock all the way) and the heater works - really well ! Couple that with an excellent reversing camera and it's a nice package. Interestingly, it's getting the same 4 miles per kW of the Zoe in a bigger, more powerful car. Happy with it thus far